the house has passed two budgets that would spend $7 trillion less than what president obama's budgets were proposed at. again, remember president obama's budgets didn't get a vote from a member of his own party. we do need -- we know -- we understand that his balanced approach is primarily tax increases that don't begin to solve the problem. we are talking right now, even more -- most robust increase in taxes would raise maybe $75 to $80 billion. so this tax increase will take care of maybe 3 to 7% of the deficit. he has talked about a balanced approach. what is the solution for the other 93%? that's what we have to start getting our arms around. creditors around the world, at some point are going to take a look at the united states government and say, we are not going to loan you money. when the interest rates inch up, we crowd out all kinds of spending. if we revert to the average interest rate we had from 1970 to 1999, 5.3% that, cost $600 billion per year in added interest expense. that's what we are trying to avoid with a fiscally responsible plan. >> we stand by with you and the